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1 point by rocketnia 4429 days ago | link | parent

"What operator name would you suggest for my "and" pattern matching?"

I've been using "as" in this conversation, but I suppose I'd try to name it based on how its corresponding expression would behave (even if it isn't really usable as an expression). Since the point of this pattern is to act as a T-junction whose inputs and outputs are all equal, How about "idfn"?

If all else fails, I might name it something like "pand" just so it didn't conflict with 'and. But I don't seriously expect you to reach the same conclusion. :)

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"So you're going to have to make a harder case to convince me."

Last time I brought this up, I gave an example implementation of a pattern-matching macro (with no backtracking) that took its operators from the same environment as the functions. In fact, the operators were implemented as Racket procedures with multiple return values.

At the time, I think I might have cited the advantage that a single macro could be used for patterns and expressions without any difference in the code it emits.

Personally, I find that a weak argument; there aren't likely to be very many macros that take advantage of this. Since you're embracing fexprs rather than macros, I don't expect it to convince you either, but I'm bringing it up just in case.



1 point by Pauan 4429 days ago | link

"How about "idfn"?"

That's not a bad name choice at all, except that idfn takes a single argument, so it feels weird to have it take two with the pattern match version.

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"If all else fails, I might name it something like "pand" just so it didn't conflict with 'and. But I don't seriously expect you to reach the same conclusion. :)"

That would be a good idea if there were multiple competing implementations for the "and" pattern. In this case, I think my implementation is reasonably intuitive and simple. So there's not much reason to rename it to avoid that sorta thing.

By the way, I know it's a bit of a pain, but it is possible to just do this:

  (def pand and)
And now you can use "pand" instead of "and" in your own code.

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"Since you're embracing fexprs rather than macros"

I'm actually only embracing fexprs because the implementation is super easy and makes dealing with environments easier.

I could instead have gone with the macro route and had a "call-with-current-environment" (analogous to call-with-current-continuation) instead.

That might actually be a better idea. It kinda bugs me having to specify the environment in vaus even if you aren't going to use it.

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"As you indicate, this has to do with the pattern choosing to call 'eval on an argument. I think the scope question will come up pretty much any time a pattern does that. If different patterns do different things here, that's okay, but I'd hesitate to introduce that inconsistency without a good reason."

My philosophy in this case is basically "don't worry about it, just let the patterns do what they want to do. If I make it easy to do The Right Thing(tm), it'll be okay"

In other words, if I make it easy (and idiomatic) to evaluate in the pattern-match environment, then pattern matchers will naturally go that route unless they have a specific reason to do something else, in which case they're probably right.

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2 points by Pauan 4428 days ago | link

I think I'll use "let" for the "as" pattern:

  -> (let a {b c d}) ...

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1 point by rocketnia 4428 days ago | link

I kinda like it. Do you find it more readable?

[1] Not that it fits my scheme...

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2 points by Pauan 4427 days ago | link

Yes, significantly more readable.

[1] Yes I know.

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