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2 points by almkglor 6133 days ago | link | parent

^^; lol. I think I've been rather consistently calling you nex-3 with a hyphen O.O;

The problem, I suppose, is the rather inconsistent formalization/nonformalization of type classes/interfaces/hindley-milner typesystem. In Ruby it's informal - you just say this or that object has this or that function which will just work, in the expected manner. In Haskell and Java it's formal - you say this type provides this type class or presents this interface, and must therefore have this or that function which must work, in the expected manner.

annotated types are kinda like a formal type class, except existing type classes are not trivially extendable except informally (via redef).



4 points by nex3 6133 days ago | link

Yeah, I think that's right. And I think Arc should go the path of informality, for a couple reasons. First, it's dynamically typed, and duck typing (or informal typing) has historically worked well with dynamically-typed languages (with Ruby, Python, and maybe Smalltalk). CLOS also tends to that side of the spectrum, although I'm not sure how explicitly it embraces duck typing.

Second, and I think more importantly, duck typing gives the programmer more power, in exchange for more opportunity to screw stuff up. This is very much in line with Arc's philosophy.

Using formal interfaces, both the people writing the polymorphic code and the people writing the polymorphic objects have to explicitly code polymorphically. Using informal interfaces, only the people writing polymorphic objects have to be explicit. The other people can* be aware of the polymorphism, which allows powerful stuff like Ruby's Enumerable module, but as long as the objects behave correctly ("quack like a duck"), you can use pass them to code that doesn't expect them at all and they'll still work.

* I know less about Smalltalk than I want to, so I don't know how much it makes use of duck typing.

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